Fairness and Justice

Suggested preamble to the constitution:

- 'The people of the [UK] value fairness and justice'


Reasoning behind the idea:

Fairness and Justice are the two big pillars in the house of British values.

Ask any foreigner what they think of as Britishness and they are likely to tell you that:

- the British play fair and want fairness to prevail;

- the British value justice and which to know that it done and seen to be done.

Each of these pillars supports the roof above our heads: keeping off the considerable amount of rain that pours down on our island.

edited on Apr 10, 2015 by Ian Smith

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote too hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday weekend!


Ian Smith Apr 7, 2015

Dear All,

Before I draft a suggested preamble clause for the constitution, I should be very grateful if you would let me have any further thoughts on this idea and in particular the form of a constitutional clause.

Kind regards,


Cecilia Rossler Apr 8, 2015

How about 'The people of the UK value fairness and justice' as a starting point?

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Ian Smith Apr 8, 2015

I like it!  Ian

Cecilia Rossler Apr 10, 2015

I have put the above in the idea description, I hope you don't mind.

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Ian Smith Apr 10, 2015

Great, many thanks, ian

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Cecilia Rossler Apr 17, 2015

To all users: Please note this phase ends in 1 day. By the end of this phase we need a finalised, concise, clear clause that can go into the constitution.Thank you for your contributions.