Who we are

We are certainly a proud island state but we should never forget that our island was once joined to the continent of Europe and that "we share more values  in common with our european neighbours than with the countries of other continents"

facilitator's suggestion: this statement should be added in the Preambles of a constitution in this form " the UK acknowledges that it shares some common values with the continent of Europe" 

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edited on Apr 16, 2015 by laure roux

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote too hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday weekend!


laure roux Apr 8, 2015

I think this idea could be combined with your idea regarding the scurity of europe. Indeed keeping in mind that "we share more values  in common with our european neighbours than with the countries of other continents" is a statement that can help preserving security in europe...

If not I think this kind of statement could be added in the preambles or maybe as a introductory provision in the international relation section. We will discuss this further when it will be the time for drafting. By the way don't bother with phrasing your ideas in a constitutional way. Just keep your ideas concise as they are it is good but if they are not written in te way a constitution is this is not a problem. This will be done in later stages.

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Jeremy Wells Apr 18, 2015

In trying to determine who we are we need to reflect on what is happening right now. It is my view that the overall greater mobility of people on a global scale coupled with the rights to freedom of movement throughout all EU member states means that there is a gradual blurring of national boundaries which in turn must impact on how one determines 'national' values. In my experience you can ask anyone what they see as 'British' values and nine times out of ten they will answer with list of values that can easily apply to any modern developed democracy. So rather than think in terms of our 'nation' we should consider much more the concept of being part of Europe (not a subset) and get used to calling ourselves 'European' and not 'British'. If the UK had got seriously stuck into the EU when it joined it would be at the centre of affairs and sat around the table with Germany and France deciding  a way forward for Europe instead of hovering around its margins and contemplating a referendum to leave the it!