Freedom from poverty and neglect and ...

Traditionally, human rights focus on freedoms to do certain things, such as free speech, assembly, religious worship whilst others focus on the need to be free from abuse by the state: torture, deprivation of liberty, etc.

However, both kinds of traditional freedoms really focus on the bare minimums to enable a person to live as he or she wishes and be involved in politics without harrassment.

What traditional rights do not address are broader economic and environmental issues.  I think that we should at least ver seriously debate the need to enshrine other basic rights such as:

- the right to be free from poverty and neglect

- the right to medical care

- the right to a sustainable enviroment

- the right to live in a meritocratic society where social mobility is an effective reality

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote too hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday weekend!