Choice about funding foreign wars

My idea which I thought would be useful to debate here is that :

"nobody should be forced to pay tax for anything other than self-defence of the UK."

edited on Apr 18, 2015 by laure roux

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote to hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday week end!


Daniel Gaunt Apr 5, 2015

Ian - in other challenges, the moderators have sought to combine similar issues into one discussion. Can I suggest this idea is generally a subset of the constitutional restriction on military activity, and that it's therefore brought into that issue? 

laure roux Apr 7, 2015

sorry I can't find the discussion feed could you make the link available?


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Daniel Gaunt Apr 7, 2015

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Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Degauntier, subject to any adverse reaction from the facilitators, I'm happy for this idea to be consolidated with that other idea - in this case moving the text of this idea accross. Ian

laure roux Apr 7, 2015

If it's fine with you I can close this idea and make the link available to the other idea.

Ian Smith Apr 10, 2015

Dear Crowd,

Is anybody interested in helping formulate some sort of working provision for the constitution?

Kind regards,


laure roux Apr 16, 2015

Dear Iansmith1 do you think you will be able to write a suggested clause before the phase clauses?

As it stands your idea could be included in a constitution but I am not sure how workable it is to set up such  clause. Is it possible in practice to implement such a provision? 

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John Robertson Apr 16, 2015

This is the purpose of the magna carta and all that follows I think. In a rather glib way, though. I take your point that it may be tricky because slow to consult an electorate in some un-exepected situation, or hard to draft a form of words that gets the system set-up, or hard to negotiate against Putin if he knows that the UK electorate will not fund a war in Ukraine. Although that is the current position so we're not loosing anything!

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Ian Smith Apr 16, 2015

Thanks John

Would you like to suggest a form of words?

Kind regards


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laure roux Apr 18, 2015

Dear Ian any idea as to the form, or should we leave it like this for now?

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