Prime Minister for no more than 2 Terms

No individual should be permitted to be Prime Minister for more than 2 terms of Parliament 

John Z Apr 5, 2015

Should it be 2 terms total OR 2 terms consecutive and then after a gap they could re-run as party leader for that seat (similar to Putin)? 

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote too hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday weekend!

Ian 

Christine Farquharson Apr 7, 2015

Here's a quick summary of what was discussed in phase 1; hopefully it helps to spark some debate in the refining phase! Please keep voting ideas and comments up/down, this will help the idea authors to refine their proposals in line with the community's opinions.

- Tom Austin: What would happen if a Deputy PM had to take over for a few months? Would s/he still be eligible to serve two full terms as PM? Maybe the limit should instead be set based on the number of elections fought as leader. (1 up)

- Bob Stammers: 'Why are experienced Prime Ministers a problem? It can take years to learn the role, why would we determine to move people on as soon as they've learned what they're doing?' (2 up)

- JimF notes that the position of Prime Minister has not yet been defined in the constitution.

Andrew Bulovsky Apr 12, 2015

Just a reminder to everyone that we're trying not to debate the merits of the proposal but are trying to collectively refine the idea to a concise proposal. This idea lends itself to that goal well.

IanSmith1, would you like your proposal of "No individual should be permitted to be PM for more than 2 terms of Parliament" to be the debated language? My only challenge to the community is to define what constitute a "Parliament." Must it be a full 5 years?

Andrew Bulovsky Apr 13, 2015

With only one week remaining in the refining stage, the facilitators will draft some language for this idea. We'll do everything we can to redraft the original submission in line with your comments and suggestions. If the original poster would like to take over the idea they are more than welcome to at any point. Please do comment to offer suggestions on specific wording and to guide us on which suggestions should take priority (by voting them up/down).

"The position of Prime Minister shall be officially recognised by the Head of State as the individual whom is primarily responsible for discharging the duties of the Government. This individual is responsible for ensuring the stability of the Government by providing leadership, responding to the public's concerns, and leading the Cabinet.

"The Prime Minister shall serve for no more than two Parliaments in total. These two terms need not be served consecutively. One term in Parliament shall be defined as beginning when Parliament is formed a Prime Minister is recognised. Should a Prime Minister resign or leave their position for any reason, their successor shall not be charged one of their two terms until a new Parliament begins."

Thoughts on this language, guys? I did the best I could to combine thoughts and keep it concise. Looking forward to hearing from you all!

John Z Apr 13, 2015

Regarding the 2nd paragraph, the intent is that an MP serving as PM shall serve no more than 2 terms total as PM;  but someone may also read it that the MP who is the PM shall have no more than 2 terms total (whether MP or PM).  Maybe we need clarify the obvious. 

Tom Austin Apr 13, 2015

1 - Under this Citizen-Sovereign Constitution the position of Prime Minister is hereby recognised as the individual who is primarily responsible for discharging the duties of the Government. This individual is responsible for ensuring the stability of the Government by providing leadership, responding to the public's concerns, and leading the Cabinet.

2 - The Prime Minister shall serve for no more than two Parliaments in total: One term in Parliament  being defined as beginning when Parliament is formed a Prime Minister is recognised, and lasting either a whole term or any part thereof. These two terms need not be served consecutively. In the event that a successor is required, for any reason whatsoever, to fulfil the role of Prime Minister for part of a Parliamentary term such shall not count as a portion of this two-term limit.

[My amendments in Bold.]

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Andrew Bulovsky Apr 13, 2015

Thank you for the amendment, Tom! I think your language is much clearer than what I posted.

Don't forget to vote on comments, everyone!

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