The Security of Europe is in British Interests

Here is my suggested preamble clause for the constitution:

'It is in the interests of the UK that Europe and its nations are stable and secure'

As I said before the reasoning behind this is:

The constitution must recognise, at least in its preambles, that a stable and secure Europe is very much in our interests if not essential to our interests.  


- wars between countries close to our borders

- a ban or high tariffs on import of British goods to the continent

The consequences would be very severe for the UK

(This idea is not the same as saying that we have to remain in the EU) 

edited on Apr 9, 2015 by Ian Smith

Ian Smith Apr 5, 2015

Dear All,

I am posting a quick comment here and in my other ideas.

Firstly, I want to say how much I have enjoyed seeing all of your contributions on this and other ideas and how impressed I am with the range of expertise and erudition which has filled these debates.

Secondly, I wish to put forward a couple of suggestions as to a way forward at this stage.  They are:

A.   I suggest that we all refrain from further voting until the ideas have been refined and represented and have then been debated for a while.  My thinking here is that we will want to see the reshaped ideas and see the comments on those refined ideas before we decide whether they are to be voted up or down,  I do not think that we should refrain from voting on comments but perhaps try not to vote too hastily on them.

B.  Now that the hurly burly of the "Hacking" phase (some of it quite savage) has passed, I hope and wish that we will adopt a more collaborative and less combative approach in our commentary, so that commentary is given a chance to be constructive and really do the job of refining the ideas in question.

C.  I would hope that we can refrain from attacking the very existence of the idea under discussion in this phase or the fact that it has successfully gone through to this phase against the wishes of those who voted it down.  I sincerely hope that the previous critics of an idea, will still respect that it found favour with the crowd and now help to refine the idea in this phase.

Thirdly, I will try my best not to introduce any more typos and mangled phrases! 

Best wishes for the holiday weekend!


Ian Smith Apr 7, 2015

Dear All,

Before I draft a suggested clause for the constitution, I should be very grateful if you would let me have any further thoughts on this idea and in particular the form of a constitutional clause.

Kind regards,


Ian Smith Apr 9, 2015

Dear All,

I've now included a draft clause in the idea above.

Kind regards,


laure roux Apr 11, 2015

This is very good and indeed it should be included in the preamble as it does not just concern the international relations topic.

laure roux Apr 11, 2015

Who we are


We are certainly a proud island state but we should never forget that our island was once joined to the continent of Europe and that we share more values  in common with our european neighbours than with the countries of other continents

Iansmith1 do you think this could follow security of Europe in a preamble such as: In doing so we should recall that the UK shares the same values as other European Counterparts.

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